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Post by acookertv on Oct 16, 2018 0:33:32 GMT
But even with that I think he responded in a smart respectful way to acknowledge they’d never agree and he knew info he was not allowed to share.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 16, 2018 0:36:08 GMT
But even with that I think he responded in a smart respectful way to acknowledge they’d never agree and he knew info he was not allowed to share. Exactly, I was surprised he said how many were interviewed..wow!
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 16, 2018 3:29:36 GMT
He was a smooth talker, I'll give him that, but he also gave out info that he was not allowed to so that was unacceptable.
Doesn't phase me how many were interviewed; if you don't interview the people who matter then it's just a game.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 17, 2018 14:47:55 GMT
Went back and watched Sasse again. That conversation is getting further and further under my skin. Meghan was supportive of DT's comment to Lesley Stahl that it doesn't matter that he made fun of Dr Ford, or that he got others to laugh, what mattered was that he'd won and Kavanaugh was in. That's not what matters. That's exactly why politicians are disliked and that's exactly what Sasse's book tries to explain. Here the Repubs put in a man who she acknowledges is not the right man for the job right now, but she considers it a win? She mostly certainly considers it a win that Merrick Garland was unfairly blocked back in the day. Her comment in the past has been that it was a well-played move. Well that's why reps like Graham think the Dems intentionally hid and then leaked info about Kavanaugh; there's no proof, just a guilty consciences. Meghan is always trying to tell the Dems how their message isn't getting across yet she can't receive the message that Americans aren't looking for tribalism and/or reps who want to win.
I think Sunny did a fantastic job of moderating last week. Overall, however, I tend to get frustrated with how little she contributes. Obviously she knows WAY more than what she brings to the table. I suspect that's because producers insist on dumbing down the depth of the conversation. That, to me, is very unfortunate.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 18, 2018 1:37:36 GMT
Went back and watched Sasse again. That conversation is getting further and further under my skin. Meghan was supportive of DT's comment to Lesley Stahl that it doesn't matter that he made fun of Dr Ford, or that he got others to laugh, what mattered was that he'd won and Kavanaugh was in. That's not what matters. That's exactly why politicians are disliked and that's exactly what Sasse's book tries to explain. Here the Repubs put in a man who she acknowledges is not the right man for the job right now, but she considers it a win? She mostly certainly considers it a win that Merrick Garland was unfairly blocked back in the day. Her comment in the past has been that it was a well-played move. Well that's why reps like Graham think the Dems intentionally hid and then leaked info about Kavanaugh; there's no proof, just a guilty consciences. Meghan is always trying to tell the Dems how their message isn't getting across yet she can't receive the message that Americans aren't looking for tribalism and/or reps who want to win. I think Sunny did a fantastic job of moderating last week. Overall, however, I tend to get frustrated with how little she contributes. Obviously she knows WAY more than what she brings to the table. I suspect that's because producers insist on dumbing down the depth of the conversation. That, to me, is very unfortunate. I was confused when I read this so I went back to watch the interview again. Meghan never talked about Kavanaugh. Those questions came from Joy and Sunny. Meghan talked with him about how much her dad respected him, and then asked what inspired him to write the book.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 18, 2018 7:59:33 GMT
I never said that Meghan talked about Kavanaugh during that interview. I said she talked about him (and winning) after T's Lesley Stahl interview.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 18, 2018 10:59:32 GMT
Sorry, it was a little confusing. I still don’t remember her saying those things though so I went back to watch that segment and I would not describe it as you did. Megan started by saying that she likes that in politics there are clear winners and losers after a vote. She talked about Kavanaugh being a big deal for Trumps base (she’s not part of that base). When Joy asked if it was a win for the country, she said No. she said it was a bad look for the country all around.
Megan spends a lot of time on the show explaining what wins and loses voters for both sides. That’s where I think she was coming from in that discussion.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 18, 2018 13:51:53 GMT
Sorry you were confused, but I think my comment was straightforward and so have been Meghan's. Meghan is proud of her tribalism. Meghan gets a thrill out of winning - it's one of favorite aspects about politics. And Meghan felt that the Repubs made a genius move when they blocked Merrick Garland.
All of which are contradictory to Sasse's message.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 18, 2018 13:53:24 GMT
Sorry, it was a little confusing. I still don’t remember her saying those things though so I went back to watch that segment and I would not describe it as you did. Megan started by saying that she likes that in politics there are clear winners and losers after a vote. She talked about Kavanaugh being a big deal for Trumps base (she’s not part of that base). When Joy asked if it was a win for the country, she said No. she said it was a bad look for the country all around. Megan spends a lot of time on the show explaining what wins and loses voters for both sides. That’s where I think she was coming from in that discussion. Did they mention the two guys that did come forward? My girlfriend said they did, I never heard them..sometimes I glass over because its the same thing.. I did see Jed and Sunny on their phones in the break, Sunny has two. That was crazy..no wonder WG looks po' d when Sunny's rings during the show..
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Post by acookertv on Oct 18, 2018 13:57:53 GMT
Sorry you were confused, but I think my comment was straightforward and so have been Meghan's. Meghan is proud of her tribalism. Meghan gets a thrill out of winning - it's one of favorite aspects about politics. And Meghan felt that the Repubs made a genius move when they blocked Merrick Garland. All of which are contradictory to Sasse's message. We see it quite different. I dint think a tribal person would have ever eulogized her father by slamming Trump while still being a Republican. I think that as a non tribal political person Megan judges things on principal instead of by team. She can hold conflicting thoughts and make sense of them. Unlike Joy who defines Republican as bad and Democrat as good, Megan can agree with some ideals of republicans but disagree with others ... or desire an outcome but disapprove of the process. I think that tribalism hears good or bad based on who a speaker is. I don’t see that in Megan or Whoopi. I do see it in joy and sunny.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 18, 2018 13:58:41 GMT
Sorry, it was a little confusing. I still don’t remember her saying those things though so I went back to watch that segment and I would not describe it as you did. Megan started by saying that she likes that in politics there are clear winners and losers after a vote. She talked about Kavanaugh being a big deal for Trumps base (she’s not part of that base). When Joy asked if it was a win for the country, she said No. she said it was a bad look for the country all around. Megan spends a lot of time on the show explaining what wins and loses voters for both sides. That’s where I think she was coming from in that discussion. Did they mention the two guys that did come forward? My girlfriend said they did, I never heard them..sometimes I glass over because its the same thing.. I did see Jed and Sunny on their phones in the break, Sunny has two. That was crazy..no wonder WG looks po' d when Sunny's rings during the show.. I’m not sure what two guys you are referring to.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 18, 2018 15:57:43 GMT
Meghan is a maverick, but that’s not pertinent to my point.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 18, 2018 15:59:01 GMT
Meghan sure knows a lot of people,in both parties, good for her!
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 19, 2018 12:42:05 GMT
Meghan is a maverick, but that’s not pertinent to my point. Quoting myself because Meghan displayed my point in their sit down yesterday with Sen Amy Klobuchar (the woman Kavanaugh disrespected during his hearing). With her win-mentality hat on, she asked Sen Klobuchar if the Dems misplayed their hand and the senator shot right back at her, "This wasn't a hand to be played."
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Post by acookertv on Oct 19, 2018 13:00:18 GMT
Meghan is a maverick, but that’s not pertinent to my point. Quoting myself because Meghan displayed my point in their sit down yesterday with Sen Amy Klobuchar (the woman Kavanaugh disrespected during his hearing). With her win-mentality hat on, she asked Sen Klobuchar if the Dems misplayed their hand and the senator shot right back at her, "This wasn't a hand to be played." Do you consider that to be a bad thing?
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 19, 2018 13:50:10 GMT
If you are asking me if I think it is a bad thing that Sen Klobuchar shot her down, no absolutely not.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 19, 2018 13:52:55 GMT
If you are asking me if I think it is a bad thing that Sen Klobuchar shot her down, no absolutely not. No, that's not what i"m asking. I'm asking if you consider Megan's point of view that winning matters in politics to be a bad thing. Some of your comments on the subject sound like you see it that way, and that seems a bit odd to me, so I wanted to clarify. It seems odd to me because in politics, I think it's accepted by most that winning matters, which is why so much time and money is put into successful campaigns - and successful campaign is defined as being elected into office - or winning. When Joy talks about needing a balance of power by having Democrats elected to a majority of seats in the House and Senate, she's talking about winning. When Sunny talks about the people she wants to see holding seats on the judiciary, she's talking about winning. So I guess it strikes me as odd that Megan would be singled out, and I started wondering if I was reading your comments as a slam on Megan but was wrong to interpret it that way.
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Post by MFWalkoff on Oct 20, 2018 0:55:24 GMT
Just deleted a couple of posts -- and here's another reminder.
You can trash the show and the people on it all you want, but you can't be rude to each other. Period. Also, don't use the thread to go off on political tangents -- keep the discussion on the show and what they talked about. (That's an ongoing reminder)
And don't reply to posts you haven't read. That is also rude.
Thanks.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 20, 2018 12:05:05 GMT
If you are asking me if I think it is a bad thing that Sen Klobuchar shot her down, no absolutely not. No, that's not what i"m asking. I'm asking if you consider Megan's point of view that winning matters in politics to be a bad thing. Some of your comments on the subject sound like you see it that way, and that seems a bit odd to me, so I wanted to clarify. It seems odd to me because in politics, I think it's accepted by most that winning matters, which is why so much time and money is put into successful campaigns - and successful campaign is defined as being elected into office - or winning. When Joy talks about needing a balance of power by having Democrats elected to a majority of seats in the House and Senate, she's talking about winning. When Sunny talks about the people she wants to see holding seats on the judiciary, she's talking about winning. So I guess it strikes me as odd that Megan would be singled out, and I started wondering if I was reading your comments as a slam on Megan but was wrong to interpret it that way. The answer to your question is I do. I'm sorry that that seems odd to you and I'm sorry that I didn't read your post to the last word originally but I found a lot of what you were saying to simply be untrue. I don't think Joy is talking about winning, or Sunny. I think what the ladies at the table, for the most part, are hoping for is progress. Not winners and losers. Abby Huntsman said as much when she said her favorite ticket would be someone from both parties. The only person who criticized that notion (from what I recall) was Meghan. Which again, falls to my point that Meghan is constantly saying that Dems aren't getting the message, but here was another case of her not getting the message - the message that we started out talking about, from Sasse. Rosie O'Donnell has been sitting with Nicolle Wallace. She seems to be coming out of the shadows; Nicolle refers to her as her dear friend which is something I wasn't aware of. I think she's headed somewhere, either back to The View or to The Talk. I'd be fine with either.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 20, 2018 12:37:58 GMT
So when joy talks about needing a balance of power by having Democratic majorities in the house and senate how is that accomplished without winning? When Joy talks about not going along with the idea of going high when they go low because that keeps losing elections, how is that not about winning? And my recollection when Abby talked about a bipartisan ticket was that joy joined the chorus of it won’t happen, and it was either joy or sunny who directed it to Megan and her fathers desire to have joe Lieberman. I think there are times when a person hears a message as bad coming out of one persons mouth, but hears the same words as good coming out of another’s mouth. I think the challenge from sasse is to get past that.
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Post by MissGriss on Oct 20, 2018 17:45:24 GMT
I don't have an opinion on whether Meghan is anymore invested in "winning" in that sense than any of the rest of us, but I do wish that we could find our way back to a form of national politics where people could talk to each other again and have the kind of collegial relationships across party lines that Joe Lieberman and John McCain and many others used to have.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 20, 2018 17:47:01 GMT
I finally watched the Friday show, and it was all about Sunny( I hated her ill fitting dress)..I watched when the old judge came on, he was kind of cool wasn't he.. Sunny and Meghan seem close, nice to see.. Please no more birthday shows, and too many' view my deal' shows
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Post by acookertv on Oct 20, 2018 18:05:46 GMT
I kind of like the birthday shows and the way it shows the personality of each host! I thought the judge was the highlight of Sunny’s - both how much it meant to her for him to be there and his story of how he checked to see if she’d be an independent thinker or a yes clerk.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 20, 2018 18:10:03 GMT
If they are equal ,yes. I still recall Sara's birthday show..even then ,I'm not keen. Even if Sunny and I share the same day..lol Eta: it's Meghan's birthday on Tuesday.. I wonder how she'll feel?
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Oct 20, 2018 20:35:05 GMT
I don't have an opinion on whether Meghan is anymore invested in "winning" in that sense than any of the rest of us, but I do wish that we could find our way back to a form of national politics where people could talk to each other again and have the kind of collegial relationships across party lines Opinio that Joe Lieberman and John McCain and many others used to have. And the rest of the country, too.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 22, 2018 11:22:22 GMT
I think, Miss_Griss, that that's a very hard thing to do when you have a leader who is stirring the pot. On Friday's program, The View spoke about DT and his rally rhetoric and how dangerous it is both to our press and to our society. They often use the term that the stink of the fish starts from the head on this program, but at this point, the stink runs a lot of the way through. It's been a mystery to me how things could degrade as quickly and as deeply as they have but in hindsight, I think there was a negative undercurrent during the last administration because apparently racism still exists. I also read an interesting article the other day that gave another explanation, it was about an evangelist pastor who said Repubs have chosen to be morally blind and desensitized because they want anti-abortion laws. He goes on to say that exchange for human dignity has put us in a society that allows the separation of children from their mothers and the denigration of women with onlookers cheering, and wonders what will be next. So I do agree that it would be nice that lawmakers like Durbin and Flake were more the norm than the exception but I also agree with Meghan that we cannot look to our current leader to change this course, that we're going to have to take it upon ourselves to make that happen.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 23, 2018 16:19:53 GMT
Watching Megan go bananas over Erica Jayne today made me so happy- it justified all the birthday shows in my mind! After the year she's had, and having an idea of what it's gotta be like for her to have her first birthday without being able to talk to her dad, it felt very special to see her so happy over a celebration.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 23, 2018 16:25:08 GMT
Watching Megan go bananas over Erica Jayne today made me so happy- it justified all the birthday shows in my mind! After the year she's had, and having an idea of what it's gotta be like for her to have her first birthday without being able to talk to her dad, it felt very special to see her so happy over a celebration. I started it, I'll finish it later..Happy Birthday Megan..
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 23, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
I used the FF to the end I'm glad she's a fan of the RH shows..LOL
She knew every word of EJs song..lordy EJ had so much makeup on, but it was fun seeing Meghan enjoy her, Joy was looking at her phone..LOL
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 25, 2018 12:03:12 GMT
I'm not big on the birthday bash programs or birthday bashes in general, like the one that Manny recently gave Sunny. Holy smokes! But I do agree with Whoopi that we should make more of our loved one's birthdays. It's too easy to get out of that habit and that's a mistake.
Yesterday's program was fantastic, though. It was one of those days when their personalities were shining through; they were just being themselves. Joy, oh my gosh, is so hip! I love her! I don't know if it was because everyone was feeling emotional due to the morning event, but the camaraderie was remarkable.
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