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Post by acookertv on Oct 26, 2018 12:25:14 GMT
I was very impressed by the discussion they had in the first segment of yesterday's show, about the mail bomb scare and heated political rhetoric. The highlight to me was Megan's mea culpa to ways she'd contributed to fanning the flames in the past, and her stating her desire to be different moving forward. Towards the end of the segment when Joy explained why she things Republicans and Trump are primarily to blame, Megan said she wanted to respond. They went to break saying she would respond after the break, and when they came back they talked about Arianna Grande instead. I really really wish Megan had been given the chance to respond like she wanted to.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 26, 2018 13:40:58 GMT
Joy didn’t say Republicans (in general) were to blame, nor does she ever. In this particular instance, in fact, she specifically named Mitch M, Paul R, and a few others because she’s been misunderstood on this very same point many tines in the past. Her focus is, and always has been, on individuals in the Republican Party who have the authority to stand up to/hold DT accountable/reverse course but they continue to look the other way.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 26, 2018 13:54:41 GMT
I went back to watch it because I wanted to make sure I have it right. Joy started out by talking about listening to John Kasich and appreciating that he placed a lot of blame on Trump. She then went on to say (direct quote) "And I think it is incumbent upon Republicans to speak up". She did then go on to name some specific names, but she most definitely began her remarks talking about Republicans in general. I think that she plays a dishonest game when she identifies certain Republicans as being voices for the party, but others when they speak are only speaking for themselves. With Democrats in Joy's book, often times any Democrat will do. Nancy Pelosi or Chuck Schumer don't have to say something if some other Democrat has. But with Republicans, it doesn't matter to her if Ben Sasse or John Kasich speak up if she can identify others that didn't. I was not going to really focus on the remarks made by Joy or Sunny that focused on the blame game in the spirit of the rest of the discussion that I thought was so good and focused on individual responsibility. My point in bringing up those remarks was that Megan had done a really great job of embracing personal responsibility, so I was very curious to see how she would have responded to what I took as a mixed message of "partisanship can't drive the ship ... but Republicans are the worst"
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 26, 2018 15:41:43 GMT
Meghan seems at peace since her father passed. I thought she might be pregnant, because she's glowing. I love to see them all laughing and joking around.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 26, 2018 15:47:16 GMT
I think there is little doubt that Megan has embraced the idea of allowing the heartache of the past year to change her for the better.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 26, 2018 15:57:30 GMT
I hope she doesn't change too much, her dynamic personality was missed at the table, when she was away
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Post by acookertv on Oct 26, 2018 16:02:00 GMT
I hope she doesn't change too much, her dynamic personality was missed at the table, when she was away What I've noticed so far has been her making changes for the better. She's still got her firey outspoken ways. She just seems to be developing a stronger judgement of what matters and what she should just let roll off her back. But I think it's hard to tell how much of that is due to what she's been through, and how much is just the comfort in numbers she has now with Abby at the table as both a friend and someone who shares some of her ideals. I do like that a lot of her "I'm the only Republican voice here" attitude seems to be gone.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 29, 2018 22:53:30 GMT
Whew! Today was a day it would have been interesting to be in the audience to watch the dynamic at the table after the first and second segments! I think Megan was overly combative in her responses. She would have been more effective in getting away from the gun discussion by just staying focused on the subject of rhetoric and just ignored the off topic gun mention. And for Joys part, I thought she was being unfair to answer a question about the responsibility of social media by talking about the news media covering Trump. It was a fair point but one that had nothing to do with the subject at hand. So all the women prepare for a discussion about social media, and before anyone can comment she changes the subject? I think she would have been smarter to let the others say their thing and THEN pivot to coverage of the rallies.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 30, 2018 12:24:20 GMT
Meghan's crotchety mood yesterday was unbecoming. Joy's transition from Abby's comment seemed perfectly logical. If they weren't going to mention guns why would Sunny have had a list of all of the hate crimes/massacres that have recently been committed with that type of assault rifle on her cue card? And I thought Joy's other point about the media covering rallies seemed logical, too, because the fact is, those rallies have become a huge social media talking point and they're eroding. The evilness that occurs during them spills out to the streets afterward. link from The Guardian link from The Washington Post
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Post by acookertv on Oct 30, 2018 12:43:29 GMT
I will concede that there was a place for Joy to mention the rallies, but in terms of producing a TV show, I thought that it was out of place for her to make that the first comment. The focus was on social media - not news media. And it was on citizens who use social media to promote hate, not the president. So you've got four hosts prepared to talk about that, and instead of letting any of them make a point about that subject, Joy takes the discussion into a completely different direction to talk about news media and Trump. Had she not been called out on it, then anything the hosts wanted to say about the actual topic of the segment gets thrown out the window. I'll add to that for the audience - we know all the panels views on Trump. So I'd rather hear them talk about something else where we'd get to hear new views.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Oct 30, 2018 13:29:14 GMT
I will concede that there was a place for Joy to mention the rallies, but in terms of producing a TV show, I thought that it was out of place for her to make that the first comment. The focus was on social media - not news media. And it was on citizens who use social media to promote hate, not the president. So you've got four hosts prepared to talk about that, and instead of letting any of them make a point about that subject, Joy takes the discussion into a completely different direction to talk about news media and Trump. Had she not been called out on it, then anything the hosts wanted to say about the actual topic of the segment gets thrown out the window. I'll add to that for the audience - we know all the panels views on Trump. So I'd rather hear them talk about something else where we'd get to hear new views. Exactly! They keep beating a dead horse. It's ridiculous.
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 30, 2018 23:56:06 GMT
Meghan's had two bad days in a row. Today she tried to lead Stacey Abrams down a rabbit hole, but Stacey didn't give her an inch.
I enjoyed the ladies' conversation (and their honesty) about marriage.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 31, 2018 1:10:14 GMT
I thought that both Meghan and Stacey did a great job in their exchange. Meghan asked a direct question. Stacey gave a direct answer. Meghan respected that. I’m not sure what makes for a better political interview.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 31, 2018 4:06:08 GMT
I thought that both Meghan and Stacey did a great job in their exchange. Meghan asked a direct question. Stacey gave a direct answer. Meghan respected that. I’m not sure what makes for a better political interview. Me too! Very direct and to the point..got a thumbs up from me
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 31, 2018 11:57:09 GMT
At the very end, Meghan parted the conversation with, "I appreciate your honesty that you want to ban it..." link from Huffington Post as a means to put a cap on what she wanted people to take away from Stacey's message. In light of what just happened in Mr Roger's old neighborhood, I find it unfathomable that responsible gun owners would still object to such a ban, and applause for Stacey from the audience give me hope that our country can soon head in that direction.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 31, 2018 12:19:10 GMT
At the very end, Meghan parted the conversation with, "I appreciate your honesty that you want to ban it..." link from Huffington Post as a means to put a cap on what she wanted people to take away from Stacey's message. In light of what just happened in Mr Roger's old neighborhood, I find it unfathomable that responsible gun owners would still object to such a ban, and applause for Stacey from the audience give me hope that our country can soon head in that direction. If Megan was putting a cap on Abrams message that contradicted what she'd said, then I could understand what you're saying here. However, Megan summarized it as Abrams stated it, so I'm not sure what the issue is with that. As a Georgia voter who is planning on voting for Abrams next week, I can say that one of the most impressive things about her as a candidate has been her willingness to say what she means and mean what she says. With the question that Megan asked, I think she did a great job of stating her position to say "yes, I think this particular gun should be banned and heres why ... and don't you dare use this to try to exaggerate my position, here's the rest of the information that you need".
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Oct 31, 2018 13:13:34 GMT
I agree, acookertv. If we are open to others' views, it actually educates us and enables us to see things from all different angles on an issue. And that's a good thing.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 31, 2018 13:16:25 GMT
I agree, acookertv. If we are open to others' views, it actually educates us and enables us to see things from all different angles on an issue. I think that Tyler Perry summed up pretty well the value that a show like The View can bring to the public discourse when they do it well. I liked the way he talked yesterday about how important it is that they've got a diverse group of women (even if he did misidentify Joy's religion) and how important it is that they show differing backgrounds and points of view coming together to talk about ideas. When they do it well, they do a really great job of showing how people can think different and get along if they just listen.
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 31, 2018 15:07:07 GMT
I love Tyler Perry. I'm not that keen on his movies, but he's just so thoughtful.
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Oct 31, 2018 15:19:09 GMT
Meghan makes a perfect Elsa today! She looks cute.
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Post by acookertv on Oct 31, 2018 15:20:16 GMT
He really is an impressive man. And I think what is the most impressive about him is that he really doens't do a lot to promote all the good things he does for people. He just does them, and we only know when other people blab against his wishes.
I really liked the costumes today! I loved that Megan embraced and made fun of her ice queen image. And Joy cracked me up the way her hair kept making her struggle!
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Post by FannyMare on Oct 31, 2018 15:35:09 GMT
Meghan makes a perfect Elsa today! She looks cute. That colour on her is stunning! My granddaughter loves Elsa...
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Post by angelic_one2002 on Oct 31, 2018 16:20:47 GMT
Mine do too, Fanny!
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Post by Cuddles on Oct 31, 2018 21:21:43 GMT
At the very end, Meghan parted the conversation with, "I appreciate your honesty that you want to ban it..." link from Huffington Post as a means to put a cap on what she wanted people to take away from Stacey's message. In light of what just happened in Mr Roger's old neighborhood, I find it unfathomable that responsible gun owners would still object to such a ban, and applause for Stacey from the audience give me hope that our country can soon head in that direction. If Megan was putting a cap on Abrams message that contradicted what she'd said, then I could understand what you're saying here. However, Megan summarized it as Abrams stated it, so I'm not sure what the issue is with that. As a Georgia voter who is planning on voting for Abrams next week, I can say that one of the most impressive things about her as a candidate has been her willingness to say what she means and mean what she says. With the question that Megan asked, I think she did a great job of stating her position to say "yes, I think this particular gun should be banned and heres why ... and don't you dare use this to try to exaggerate my position, here's the rest of the information that you need". Megan has a different position, and she got into it a bit in hot topics. There's a lot of talk these days about wanting to have honest discussions. People want honest discussions on race, on guns, on violent rhetoric, and a host of other topics. To have honest discussions, we have to be open to considering opinions we find objectionable -- not in an attempt to change minds but in an attempt to understand. I saw the exchange between Megan and Stacey Abrams in exactly that way. Neither of them needs to be ashamed of their opinions. And quite frankly, I think the opinions we find unfathomable are the ones that are the most important to listen to - to understand, not to have our minds changed. But if they are described as unfathomable before they are even heard, I'm not sure how an honest discussion progresses. An innocent 97-year-old woman who was minding her own business, praying, will be laid to rest in pieces. That's what I fully understand. I liked Abby's first costume. Had to do a double-take, it was that good. Whoopi looked adorable.
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Post by The Mod Team on Oct 31, 2018 23:14:44 GMT
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We don't care what people's opinions are about the issues that the View people talk about. It's why we got rid of the Current Events forum at the old place. All people do in this thread is get each other riled up, and report posts made by people they disagree with. It's more trouble than it's worth.
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